They are being broken profoundly and openly right now. But they still offer a reminder that, despite being capable of horrific violence, human beings are not helpless in its path.
There’s a middle ground between “doing nothing” and the IDF’s current plan. What do you suggest? Because your column seems to end at “Yeah, what Hamas did was evil, but what Israel’s doing now is worse”.
It’s exhausting to to read pro-Palestinian rhetoric that barely acknowledges Israel’s right to exist.
Yes, I think that is an accurate summary. What Israel is doing, has done, and will continue to do is much worse by literally any objective analysis of the situation. The body count is wildly disproportionate. The balance of power is wildly disproportionate. The ability to project force is wildly disproportionate. As I said in the piece Israel has already far surpassed the death toll Hamas's atrocities inflicted on them last week. How much more blood do you need? What do YOU suggest the IDF do? What would sate you? How much more pain would you like them to inflict?
You might as well ask Nat Turner if the USA had a right to exist. The issue is not the right of a slave or apartheid society to exist - the issue is when are you going to end slavery or apartheid.
Would being strangled to death via blockades of food, water, electricity, and fuel for the past 16 years by Israel not count as subjugation?
Hamas no longer aligns with its 1988 charter which calls for the destruction of the Jewish people. Their 2017 charter indicates they are willing to accept the pre-1967 borders of Palestine and that they only "reject recognition of Israel which it terms as the 'Zionist enemy'".
Israel, the apartheid colonialist state as it currently exists, and Zionism which excludes Arabs and Christians from the land they've inhabited for a thousand years cannot coexist with a free Palestine. Hamas does not call for the death of all Jews in Israel, just the destruction of the Zionist state. In their 2017 charter, they explicitly call for a society with no discrimination based on religion and affirm that they are not at war with all Jewish people.
Hamas is the majority party of the government of Gaza. They’ve been ruling authority of Gaza since taking over in 2007. In no way are they “Subjugated”. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
“Whether the ‘subjugating’ nation has a right to exist” is only “an irrelevant question” to you because you refuse to acknowledge the inconvenient reality that Hamas’ explicitly calls for Israel’s destruction.
Since you refuse to directly answer the first premise, I can only assume that to you agree with that goal
Thank you, Mr. Crosbie, for a stellar job of reporting and analysis. It's this kind of article that makes me proud to be a Discourse supporter.
Thank you!
Bravo!
War on us never ending warriors of fight rather than flight. Kill rather than pause and see the big picture first and response with reasoned actions.
Cheers
There’s a middle ground between “doing nothing” and the IDF’s current plan. What do you suggest? Because your column seems to end at “Yeah, what Hamas did was evil, but what Israel’s doing now is worse”.
It’s exhausting to to read pro-Palestinian rhetoric that barely acknowledges Israel’s right to exist.
Yes, I think that is an accurate summary. What Israel is doing, has done, and will continue to do is much worse by literally any objective analysis of the situation. The body count is wildly disproportionate. The balance of power is wildly disproportionate. The ability to project force is wildly disproportionate. As I said in the piece Israel has already far surpassed the death toll Hamas's atrocities inflicted on them last week. How much more blood do you need? What do YOU suggest the IDF do? What would sate you? How much more pain would you like them to inflict?
I started my post off by stating there’s a middle ground between what the IDF is doing and doing nothing and asking “What do you suggest?”
You, in turn asked “what would sate you?” as if to imply, I’m some sort of bloodthirsty ghoul.
Which leads me to think believe that any amount of blood spilled by Israel is too much. Is that fair? (narrator: probably not.)
So I leave you with two questions
1.) do you believe Israel has a right to exist?
2.) if so, how do you think they should’ve handled the aftermath of the attack?
You might as well ask Nat Turner if the USA had a right to exist. The issue is not the right of a slave or apartheid society to exist - the issue is when are you going to end slavery or apartheid.
Would being strangled to death via blockades of food, water, electricity, and fuel for the past 16 years by Israel not count as subjugation?
Hamas no longer aligns with its 1988 charter which calls for the destruction of the Jewish people. Their 2017 charter indicates they are willing to accept the pre-1967 borders of Palestine and that they only "reject recognition of Israel which it terms as the 'Zionist enemy'".
Israel, the apartheid colonialist state as it currently exists, and Zionism which excludes Arabs and Christians from the land they've inhabited for a thousand years cannot coexist with a free Palestine. Hamas does not call for the death of all Jews in Israel, just the destruction of the Zionist state. In their 2017 charter, they explicitly call for a society with no discrimination based on religion and affirm that they are not at war with all Jewish people.
Hamas is the official government of Gaza. It’s it’s easy to dismiss your argument when you use hyperbole like “slavery”.
The point is that to the subjugated, whether the subjugating nation has a right to exist is an irrelevant question.
Hamas is the majority party of the government of Gaza. They’ve been ruling authority of Gaza since taking over in 2007. In no way are they “Subjugated”. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
“Whether the ‘subjugating’ nation has a right to exist” is only “an irrelevant question” to you because you refuse to acknowledge the inconvenient reality that Hamas’ explicitly calls for Israel’s destruction.
Since you refuse to directly answer the first premise, I can only assume that to you agree with that goal