It’s important to recognize that contrary to what our mainstream media reports this lopsided bloodbath did NOT start on October 7th. It started with Israel’s Apartheid occupation and total subjugation and the following decades of absolute control of Palestinians and the gradual violent theft of Palestinian land by Israel though it’s illegal settlements. Palestine has brought up the atrocities 46 times to the World Court but blocked by US and has had numerous protests in Gaza over the years. The world ignored their plight and labeled them “terrorists “. It’s difficult to think of what other options were available to Hamas although I don’t support violence.
You are intentionally being obtuse and repeating the same Hasbara talking points of how Israel is the real victim here and not reading my texts clearly. I have stated many times that Oct 7th was horrific as well but time for only sympathy for Israel is over. Israel conveniently doesn’t want anyone look at the horrors they have been committing for decades and wants Americans to believe that they are the only victims. October 7th was10 months ago. Gaza is 4,000x times worse and it’s currently going on. Israel is being led by a right wing coalition of homocidal maniacs who are sadly going to bring about their own demise through their brutally as the world is waking up from Hasbara’s thought campaign. Let’s just agree to disagree.
I am not saying that I agree with what Israel is doing but warfare is tragic but but you seem to sympathize with Hamas. Why do you see it as Israel's responsibility when Hamas could end this by surrendering, my guess is that you don't want this to happen because you believe Hamas is justified, and they are not. They have put their people in peril by doing what they did. All of your other arguments are subterfuge, sophistry. The only people that can make peace are the Palestinians. They voted in Hamas who has done nothing for them but bring misery and people like you have lost the plot. Just like in Northern Ireland peace has to come from the people on the ground or it perpetuates itself for infinity. Read the book Son of Hamas and deprogram yourself.
The only reason you would be arguing that Hamas needs to surrender is because you do not consider Palestinians as humans beings which Israel can kill at will with impunity. It would make as much more sense as me arguing why doesn’t Israel want peace? Why do they want to continue to kill children? Israel is a bigger monster than Hamas as shown by its current conduct and historical brutality towards Palestinians. Don’t bother responding. I already know what routine propaganda uncreative accusation that I’m a Hamas lover.
No, I have said that the war is tragic. But Hamas has brought this tragedy on its people. Israel pulled its settlers out of Gaza in the past. They have made overtures. UNRA programs Palestinian kid to hate Jews in its so called schools. Again you should read son of Hamas!
Wow you are a real human being, how about Hamas not starting the war in the first place. How about Hamas not using their own people as shields because they are fucking cowards. Hamas wanted this reaction but you are too thick to understand this. Hamas started this and they could save their people by surrendering but you wouldn't go along with this because you believe that they had the right to kill women and children. Also, look up collateral damage, it happens in all conflicts. Genocide is what happened to Jews under the Nazis.
Check out the statistics of Dresden , Hiroshima, and Nagasaki many women and children were killed. I am not saying that I agree with it. But this was collateral damage. It is different than putting people in a gas chamber and then burning them in an oven. You people have misappropriated terms such as genocide. If the IDF were committing genocide all the people in Gaza would be dead. You are stupid! Study some history beyond propaganda coming out of Iran!
You may not agree with it, but you're clearly okay with it. That's why the best you can come up with is childish insults and screeching about propaganda from a country that clearly isn't favored in the mainstream American/Western media (where I live, and so where I tend to get most of my information.)
Since you're clearly incapable of arguing in anything approaching good faith, we're done here. Have a nice life excusing horrific war crimes.
They're responsible for October 7, sure. The IDF is responsible for the vast majority of everything after October 7, and most of what came before as well.
It's really incredible how your tunnel vision doesn't allow you to see what's right in front of you, including all the times when Israel rejected cease fire agreements and basically said they only way they'll stop is when no one in Gaza is left alive.
Wow that is an insightful geopolitical statement. Hamas could choose to end this by laying down their arms and releasing the hostages. Why shouldn't they?
The only reason to ask this question is to deny the agency and responsibility of the IDF. I suspect you know this.
It’s important to recognize that contrary to what our mainstream media reports this lopsided bloodbath did NOT start on October 7th. It started with Israel’s Apartheid occupation and total subjugation and the following decades of absolute control of Palestinians and the gradual violent theft of Palestinian land by Israel though it’s illegal settlements. Palestine has brought up the atrocities 46 times to the World Court but blocked by US and has had numerous protests in Gaza over the years. The world ignored their plight and labeled them “terrorists “. It’s difficult to think of what other options were available to Hamas although I don’t support violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGGpjOKo1Q&t=629s&ab_channel=J-TV%3AJewishIdeas.GlobalRelevance.
You don't support violence but you understand why Hamas did what they did which means you support violence.
You are intentionally being obtuse and repeating the same Hasbara talking points of how Israel is the real victim here and not reading my texts clearly. I have stated many times that Oct 7th was horrific as well but time for only sympathy for Israel is over. Israel conveniently doesn’t want anyone look at the horrors they have been committing for decades and wants Americans to believe that they are the only victims. October 7th was10 months ago. Gaza is 4,000x times worse and it’s currently going on. Israel is being led by a right wing coalition of homocidal maniacs who are sadly going to bring about their own demise through their brutally as the world is waking up from Hasbara’s thought campaign. Let’s just agree to disagree.
I am not saying that I agree with what Israel is doing but warfare is tragic but but you seem to sympathize with Hamas. Why do you see it as Israel's responsibility when Hamas could end this by surrendering, my guess is that you don't want this to happen because you believe Hamas is justified, and they are not. They have put their people in peril by doing what they did. All of your other arguments are subterfuge, sophistry. The only people that can make peace are the Palestinians. They voted in Hamas who has done nothing for them but bring misery and people like you have lost the plot. Just like in Northern Ireland peace has to come from the people on the ground or it perpetuates itself for infinity. Read the book Son of Hamas and deprogram yourself.
The only reason you would be arguing that Hamas needs to surrender is because you do not consider Palestinians as humans beings which Israel can kill at will with impunity. It would make as much more sense as me arguing why doesn’t Israel want peace? Why do they want to continue to kill children? Israel is a bigger monster than Hamas as shown by its current conduct and historical brutality towards Palestinians. Don’t bother responding. I already know what routine propaganda uncreative accusation that I’m a Hamas lover.
No, I have said that the war is tragic. But Hamas has brought this tragedy on its people. Israel pulled its settlers out of Gaza in the past. They have made overtures. UNRA programs Palestinian kid to hate Jews in its so called schools. Again you should read son of Hamas!
What do you think Israel's reaction should have been?
Fighting back is killing and raping and beheading women and children. I get it Hamas are freedom fighters!
Wow you are a real human being, how about Hamas not starting the war in the first place. How about Hamas not using their own people as shields because they are fucking cowards. Hamas wanted this reaction but you are too thick to understand this. Hamas started this and they could save their people by surrendering but you wouldn't go along with this because you believe that they had the right to kill women and children. Also, look up collateral damage, it happens in all conflicts. Genocide is what happened to Jews under the Nazis.
If you really think tens of thousands of civilian deaths are "collateral damage," then you are an irredeemable monster.
Check out the statistics of Dresden , Hiroshima, and Nagasaki many women and children were killed. I am not saying that I agree with it. But this was collateral damage. It is different than putting people in a gas chamber and then burning them in an oven. You people have misappropriated terms such as genocide. If the IDF were committing genocide all the people in Gaza would be dead. You are stupid! Study some history beyond propaganda coming out of Iran!
You may not agree with it, but you're clearly okay with it. That's why the best you can come up with is childish insults and screeching about propaganda from a country that clearly isn't favored in the mainstream American/Western media (where I live, and so where I tend to get most of my information.)
Since you're clearly incapable of arguing in anything approaching good faith, we're done here. Have a nice life excusing horrific war crimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOEJumoABg&ab_channel=CBNNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGGpjOKo1Q&t=629s&ab_channel=J-TV%3AJewishIdeas.GlobalRelevance.
And you are Hamas nazi sympathizer!
And dummy, Hamas is a proxy of Iran. Look up proxy if you don't know what it means?
You should read "Son of Hamas" and deprogram yourself
What about the responsibility of Hamas who started the whole thing?
They're responsible for October 7, sure. The IDF is responsible for the vast majority of everything after October 7, and most of what came before as well.
It's really incredible how your tunnel vision doesn't allow you to see what's right in front of you, including all the times when Israel rejected cease fire agreements and basically said they only way they'll stop is when no one in Gaza is left alive.
Hamas sucks. The IDF sucks WAY more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGGpjOKo1Q&t=629s&ab_channel=J-TV%3AJewishIdeas.GlobalRelevance.
Wow that is an insightful geopolitical statement. Hamas could choose to end this by laying down their arms and releasing the hostages. Why shouldn't they?
Lmfao bibi doesn't want peace. He is not going to stop fighting. He has said so.
Hamas has gone on record saying they want to repeat Oct 7 again and again.