It’s cliche as hell at this point and maybe a smidge defeatist, but if this had come out in February or w/e the reaction still would have been the typical “I’d like to see Ol’ Donny Trump wiggle his way out of this jam!” thing and it would have blown over quickly. Which is of course what will happen with the Woodward story itself, because this country has the collective attention span of a goldfish.
We knew this. We knew this in February. We knew this in March. In April. In May. In June. In July. In August. You knew this. This isn't anything new. It was evident from day 1 and we didn't need Bob Woodward to confirm it to us. If this came out even in March...we would have said 'Duh'. If this came out in April, May, June, July, August...we would have said 'Duh'. Its something we all knew. No one paying any sort of attention doubted this.
If he came out with it at any point in time the reaction from anyone intelligent would have been, 'Yes and?'. Because we all fucking knew this at the same level we know water is fucking wet. Its not the revelation you think it is to people with functioning brains.
If it came out immediately, or shortly there after, Trump would have fucking spun it. And you god damn know thats true. It would have been buried. And the people that need to hear it now would have already dismissed it. The democrats in office wouldn't have done shit and we all know it. It took years to get Pelosi to even consider impeachment despite the mountains of evidence. Even then they failed. What do you honestly expect would have happened?
But its all coming out now, just before the election. After months of Trump bullshiting and saying the exact opposite of what Woodward is reporting on tape. Its all there. In March spin could have been done and no one would remember it. These are things those of us against trump have known from day 1. By now no one would remember that shit.
But again...its coming out now. With months of Trumps statements in the rear view. Everyone has history to look at, the numbers to look at. Only the absolute diehards that would never ever change their stance can deny what happened regardless of whatever spin is put on. And it comes right before the election.
Bob Woodward handed us a win, right before the election and you're telling him to fuck off and thats fucking stupid.
Gotta say, the media reaction to this "shocking news" is weird. Why did we need Bob Woodward to tell the media what has been plainly evident and widely reported? The overhyped reaction across the media landscape seems to be a mix of Boomer nostalgia for "the guy who brought down a president" and just plain old groupthink.
It does not surprise me to think that Trump sleeps just fine at night - he's never displayed anything even remotely like humanity and he wouldn't start now - but I do wonder how the fuck Woodward could sit on this shit for months - months where the death toll skyrocketed and we watched bad decision after bad decision in horror - and think it was even remotely the right thing to do.
I'm interested in how Trump can be totally coherent in a personal, if on-the-record, conversation with Woodward and then incoherent in public forums. My thought is that in public conversation, he feels a greater need to impress. His instinct is to hyperbole to be impressive, and he's not particularly gifted at artful bullshitting. In personal moments, when he has a single interlocutor, he can focus more. This tracks with the numerous stories, even from Trump foes, that he can be quite charming in person.
It’s amazing how the proverbial elephant in the room has thus far not been blasted out nonstop by everyone. Lives could’ve been saved. Instead Woodward decides to withhold that important information in order to create a “big picture,” which sounds both idiotic and devious the more I try to make sense of the logic.
The worst part is how those with Trump Derangement Syndrome (or Tertiary Syphilis) describe this as some gotcha moment or smoking gun while completely ignoring the fact the bullet was fired long ago and the damage is done and still going! There’s no way to save traditional journalism if that’s considered “integrity.”
Sorry for the rant. It’s been on my mind for awhile and needed the catharsis the venting provides.
On national television trump called the coronavirus pandemic a hoax while he was telling Woodward how dangerous it was. The media would rather downplay the facts that have resulted in the death of 200,000 and blame journalist Bob Woodward rather than the murderer. It's noteworthy to point out the sound of crickets while the US press watches actual journalist Julian Assange's extradition hearing. Shameful.
It’s cliche as hell at this point and maybe a smidge defeatist, but if this had come out in February or w/e the reaction still would have been the typical “I’d like to see Ol’ Donny Trump wiggle his way out of this jam!” thing and it would have blown over quickly. Which is of course what will happen with the Woodward story itself, because this country has the collective attention span of a goldfish.
We knew this. We knew this in February. We knew this in March. In April. In May. In June. In July. In August. You knew this. This isn't anything new. It was evident from day 1 and we didn't need Bob Woodward to confirm it to us. If this came out even in March...we would have said 'Duh'. If this came out in April, May, June, July, August...we would have said 'Duh'. Its something we all knew. No one paying any sort of attention doubted this.
If he came out with it at any point in time the reaction from anyone intelligent would have been, 'Yes and?'. Because we all fucking knew this at the same level we know water is fucking wet. Its not the revelation you think it is to people with functioning brains.
If it came out immediately, or shortly there after, Trump would have fucking spun it. And you god damn know thats true. It would have been buried. And the people that need to hear it now would have already dismissed it. The democrats in office wouldn't have done shit and we all know it. It took years to get Pelosi to even consider impeachment despite the mountains of evidence. Even then they failed. What do you honestly expect would have happened?
But its all coming out now, just before the election. After months of Trump bullshiting and saying the exact opposite of what Woodward is reporting on tape. Its all there. In March spin could have been done and no one would remember it. These are things those of us against trump have known from day 1. By now no one would remember that shit.
But again...its coming out now. With months of Trumps statements in the rear view. Everyone has history to look at, the numbers to look at. Only the absolute diehards that would never ever change their stance can deny what happened regardless of whatever spin is put on. And it comes right before the election.
Bob Woodward handed us a win, right before the election and you're telling him to fuck off and thats fucking stupid.
Access media at its finest, people.
Gotta say, the media reaction to this "shocking news" is weird. Why did we need Bob Woodward to tell the media what has been plainly evident and widely reported? The overhyped reaction across the media landscape seems to be a mix of Boomer nostalgia for "the guy who brought down a president" and just plain old groupthink.
This is such a dark and accurate picture of why the media landscape is such garbage.
all about those book sales, baby
There's already no coming back.
It does not surprise me to think that Trump sleeps just fine at night - he's never displayed anything even remotely like humanity and he wouldn't start now - but I do wonder how the fuck Woodward could sit on this shit for months - months where the death toll skyrocketed and we watched bad decision after bad decision in horror - and think it was even remotely the right thing to do.
I'm interested in how Trump can be totally coherent in a personal, if on-the-record, conversation with Woodward and then incoherent in public forums. My thought is that in public conversation, he feels a greater need to impress. His instinct is to hyperbole to be impressive, and he's not particularly gifted at artful bullshitting. In personal moments, when he has a single interlocutor, he can focus more. This tracks with the numerous stories, even from Trump foes, that he can be quite charming in person.
It’s amazing how the proverbial elephant in the room has thus far not been blasted out nonstop by everyone. Lives could’ve been saved. Instead Woodward decides to withhold that important information in order to create a “big picture,” which sounds both idiotic and devious the more I try to make sense of the logic.
The worst part is how those with Trump Derangement Syndrome (or Tertiary Syphilis) describe this as some gotcha moment or smoking gun while completely ignoring the fact the bullet was fired long ago and the damage is done and still going! There’s no way to save traditional journalism if that’s considered “integrity.”
Sorry for the rant. It’s been on my mind for awhile and needed the catharsis the venting provides.
Spot on.
Woodward is a republican, it is not at all surprising that he sat on this
Keep Calm and Burn It To The Ground
If this “shocking revelation” changes nothing now, why would it change anything back then?
On national television trump called the coronavirus pandemic a hoax while he was telling Woodward how dangerous it was. The media would rather downplay the facts that have resulted in the death of 200,000 and blame journalist Bob Woodward rather than the murderer. It's noteworthy to point out the sound of crickets while the US press watches actual journalist Julian Assange's extradition hearing. Shameful.