At least let's get daily marches around Union Square in NYC and a march on the DC mall. People don't like seeing genocide. And Joe's response today makes me wonder if he's intentionally throwing this election.
Leaving aside whether or not this is genocide vs urban warfare against fanatics willing to sacrifice their own civilians, the left's success with violence in 2020, coupled with the authorities not being complicit in the narrative this time around, assures we'll have riots again. The pro-Hamas support may appear wide, its certainly loud, but I doubt its more than an inch deep.
It actually IS deep. Democrats under 40 put adjusting the US-Israeli policy high on their list of priorities. Somewhere in-between health care, the environmental catastrophe and the housing crisis. Right now, young Democrats are sounding a lot like Sinn Finn MPs in Dublin in that they are proclaiming that we can't be a society that says it values human rights unless we address the truly awful actions of the US and Israel this century. Nothing pro-Hamas about it.
Maybe time will tell, but so far this "movement" seems to be limited to a highly privileged few with time on their hands, and the looming prospect of joining the ranks of the excess elite. Shallowness extends to shallowness of thought as well. None seem to know, or care, about any of the history prior to late last October, nor what would be the plan for the day after any ceasefire. The 17th cease fire since 2006 I believe. All violated by guess who.
You say there's nothing pro-Hamas about it. I wish you were right, and I'm sure there are some chanting for unconditional peace. But not many. Listen to what the rest are saying. They're not even being coy.
Honestly, one can't help but think this is as much about those snappy scarfs they get to cosplay in as anything else. After all they're far more fetching than a N95 mask.
I wasn't going to engage any further, but I looked at your bio. Are you serious? You are old enough to know that some of what you wrote above was used against Vietnam War protesters (and totally discredited) and yet you are using similar talking points in 2024.
You subscribe to this blog (thanks!) and yet you disagree with the journalists who run it. They have written on multiple occasions that:
1 The Palestinian flag is not a swastika
2. Those Six Words are not a call for the destruction of Israel.
3. The tents on campus are not Kristallnacht. While Charlottesville was an attempt to pull off a Kristallnacht in 2017.
4. No one has been shown to prevent a student from entering a building, Jewish or no.
5. A couple of protesters have been shown yelling "I Am Hamas." Not something I would say, because it is inflammatory. But anyone who thinks that's an honest chant of allegiance to a confirmed terror organization is a fool. The FBI and NSA heard it. The phrase is meant to offend. It means "I'm Brown. I LOOK LIKE a Palestinian. And since Israel is bombing all of Gaza, a ghetto full of fanatics willing to sacrifice their own, as you put it, Israel is counting all the dead as....wait for it.....HAMAS! Saying I Am Hamas means I'm Brown. Bomb ME you bastards.
And how did the US count Vietcong dead? Oh, they counted all the dead as VC.
History, son. You either pretend not to know it or you really don't know it.
OK, Pops, feel free to call me тАЬsonтАЭ. Congratulations on being 95. Just so you know that I am both old enough to remember some of the things you refer to, and in fact, experienced them first hand. Myself. Right there. On the ground.
After reading your comment, I have identified the problem, or rather you identified it for me. You donтАЩt read much of anything unless the authors confirm your preexisting opinions. Really not a good sign of an open mind. You should get out more, and do a little self-reflection before casting dispersions.
Lets look at your list of points from these authors and we see a number of factual errors, half truths, and definitely a lot of subjectivity.
Hamas flag is not swastika. Well duh. But have any of the bright lights who think this proves their point know anything about HamasтАЩ charter? Might want to. The Hamas flag represent who? Put the two together. I don't know, it might be a tad pertinent.
Those six words mean Palestine free ofтАжтАж..? Who exactly? Again, refer to charter. Same
Kristallnacht? Who said anything about that. I donтАЩt take Charlottesville nor these protests as being serious enough to even approach making such an analogy. Your mileage may vary, but whoever does needs to get a grip.
No one prevented fromтАжтАж Oh, please. ThereтАЩs video and testimony out there everywhere. Try Google.
A couple of protesters yelling insipid slogans doesnтАЩt bother me at all . People should be free to do and say dumb things, as long as they neither hurt people, prevent others from exercising their rights, including access, nor break the per-existing rules. Therein lies the rub.
IтАЩm brown, your brown, weтАЩre all brownтАжтАжSo are a lot of Israelis. Either Arab or refugees from Muslim countries. Look it up, you might be surprised. What about them?
And yeah, I didnтАЩt believe the casualty figures out of Viet nam either. So I certainly donтАЩt trust the same from the Gaza health ministry. Or the IsraeliтАЩs.
My main and lost point was IтАЩm not taking these protest all that seriously since anyone calling for тАЬbike helmets, kneepads, and vegan and gluten free foodтАЭ arenтАЩt really serious themselves. IтАЩll leave you with this video. The jokes just write themselves: .
Fat chance, but good thought. I'm thinking it'll be more like another 2020 "Summer of Love".
At least let's get daily marches around Union Square in NYC and a march on the DC mall. People don't like seeing genocide. And Joe's response today makes me wonder if he's intentionally throwing this election.
He sounded like an old Richard Nixon tape. Biden's views were formed in that era.
Leaving aside whether or not this is genocide vs urban warfare against fanatics willing to sacrifice their own civilians, the left's success with violence in 2020, coupled with the authorities not being complicit in the narrative this time around, assures we'll have riots again. The pro-Hamas support may appear wide, its certainly loud, but I doubt its more than an inch deep.
It actually IS deep. Democrats under 40 put adjusting the US-Israeli policy high on their list of priorities. Somewhere in-between health care, the environmental catastrophe and the housing crisis. Right now, young Democrats are sounding a lot like Sinn Finn MPs in Dublin in that they are proclaiming that we can't be a society that says it values human rights unless we address the truly awful actions of the US and Israel this century. Nothing pro-Hamas about it.
Maybe time will tell, but so far this "movement" seems to be limited to a highly privileged few with time on their hands, and the looming prospect of joining the ranks of the excess elite. Shallowness extends to shallowness of thought as well. None seem to know, or care, about any of the history prior to late last October, nor what would be the plan for the day after any ceasefire. The 17th cease fire since 2006 I believe. All violated by guess who.
You say there's nothing pro-Hamas about it. I wish you were right, and I'm sure there are some chanting for unconditional peace. But not many. Listen to what the rest are saying. They're not even being coy.
Honestly, one can't help but think this is as much about those snappy scarfs they get to cosplay in as anything else. After all they're far more fetching than a N95 mask.
I wasn't going to engage any further, but I looked at your bio. Are you serious? You are old enough to know that some of what you wrote above was used against Vietnam War protesters (and totally discredited) and yet you are using similar talking points in 2024.
You subscribe to this blog (thanks!) and yet you disagree with the journalists who run it. They have written on multiple occasions that:
1 The Palestinian flag is not a swastika
2. Those Six Words are not a call for the destruction of Israel.
3. The tents on campus are not Kristallnacht. While Charlottesville was an attempt to pull off a Kristallnacht in 2017.
4. No one has been shown to prevent a student from entering a building, Jewish or no.
5. A couple of protesters have been shown yelling "I Am Hamas." Not something I would say, because it is inflammatory. But anyone who thinks that's an honest chant of allegiance to a confirmed terror organization is a fool. The FBI and NSA heard it. The phrase is meant to offend. It means "I'm Brown. I LOOK LIKE a Palestinian. And since Israel is bombing all of Gaza, a ghetto full of fanatics willing to sacrifice their own, as you put it, Israel is counting all the dead as....wait for it.....HAMAS! Saying I Am Hamas means I'm Brown. Bomb ME you bastards.
And how did the US count Vietcong dead? Oh, they counted all the dead as VC.
History, son. You either pretend not to know it or you really don't know it.
I really admire your patience, especially towards someone who is so willfully blind that they can't see that violence arrives with law enforcement.
Every.
Single.
Time.
I agree. It often precedes it as well. Regardless, not my point.
It's called trolling. Ignore this misanthrope.
A subscriber who trolls? That's ill.
OK, Pops, feel free to call me тАЬsonтАЭ. Congratulations on being 95. Just so you know that I am both old enough to remember some of the things you refer to, and in fact, experienced them first hand. Myself. Right there. On the ground.
After reading your comment, I have identified the problem, or rather you identified it for me. You donтАЩt read much of anything unless the authors confirm your preexisting opinions. Really not a good sign of an open mind. You should get out more, and do a little self-reflection before casting dispersions.
Lets look at your list of points from these authors and we see a number of factual errors, half truths, and definitely a lot of subjectivity.
Hamas flag is not swastika. Well duh. But have any of the bright lights who think this proves their point know anything about HamasтАЩ charter? Might want to. The Hamas flag represent who? Put the two together. I don't know, it might be a tad pertinent.
Those six words mean Palestine free ofтАжтАж..? Who exactly? Again, refer to charter. Same
Kristallnacht? Who said anything about that. I donтАЩt take Charlottesville nor these protests as being serious enough to even approach making such an analogy. Your mileage may vary, but whoever does needs to get a grip.
No one prevented fromтАжтАж Oh, please. ThereтАЩs video and testimony out there everywhere. Try Google.
A couple of protesters yelling insipid slogans doesnтАЩt bother me at all . People should be free to do and say dumb things, as long as they neither hurt people, prevent others from exercising their rights, including access, nor break the per-existing rules. Therein lies the rub.
IтАЩm brown, your brown, weтАЩre all brownтАжтАжSo are a lot of Israelis. Either Arab or refugees from Muslim countries. Look it up, you might be surprised. What about them?
And yeah, I didnтАЩt believe the casualty figures out of Viet nam either. So I certainly donтАЩt trust the same from the Gaza health ministry. Or the IsraeliтАЩs.
My main and lost point was IтАЩm not taking these protest all that seriously since anyone calling for тАЬbike helmets, kneepads, and vegan and gluten free foodтАЭ arenтАЩt really serious themselves. IтАЩll leave you with this video. The jokes just write themselves: .
https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-columbia-protester-mocked-asking-040731315.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
Ok. Libertarian. That better?
No.
Your dedication to making the world a better place ranks right up there alongside the top most humanitarian people on the planet.