Do you believe that Hamas has any responsibility in any of this. Why doesn't Hamas surrender and lay down their weapons. They could stop the slaughter.
Do you believe that Hamas has any responsibility in any of this. Why doesn't Hamas surrender and lay down their weapons. They could stop the slaughter.
ItтАЩs important to recognize that contrary to what our mainstream media reports this lopsided bloodbath did NOT start on October 7th. It started with IsraelтАЩs Apartheid occupation and total subjugation and the following decades of absolute control of Palestinians and the gradual violent theft of Palestinian land by Israel though itтАЩs illegal settlements. Palestine has brought up the atrocities 46 times to the World Court but blocked by US and has had numerous protests in Gaza over the years. The world ignored their plight and labeled them тАЬterrorists тАЬ. ItтАЩs difficult to think of what other options were available to Hamas although I donтАЩt support violence.
You are intentionally being obtuse and repeating the same Hasbara talking points of how Israel is the real victim here and not reading my texts clearly. I have stated many times that Oct 7th was horrific as well but time for only sympathy for Israel is over. Israel conveniently doesnтАЩt want anyone look at the horrors they have been committing for decades and wants Americans to believe that they are the only victims. October 7th was10 months ago. Gaza is 4,000x times worse and itтАЩs currently going on. Israel is being led by a right wing coalition of homocidal maniacs who are sadly going to bring about their own demise through their brutally as the world is waking up from HasbaraтАЩs thought campaign. LetтАЩs just agree to disagree.
I am not saying that I agree with what Israel is doing but warfare is tragic but but you seem to sympathize with Hamas. Why do you see it as Israel's responsibility when Hamas could end this by surrendering, my guess is that you don't want this to happen because you believe Hamas is justified, and they are not. They have put their people in peril by doing what they did. All of your other arguments are subterfuge, sophistry. The only people that can make peace are the Palestinians. They voted in Hamas who has done nothing for them but bring misery and people like you have lost the plot. Just like in Northern Ireland peace has to come from the people on the ground or it perpetuates itself for infinity. Read the book Son of Hamas and deprogram yourself.
The only reason you would be arguing that Hamas needs to surrender is because you do not consider Palestinians as humans beings which Israel can kill at will with impunity. It would make as much more sense as me arguing why doesnтАЩt Israel want peace? Why do they want to continue to kill children? Israel is a bigger monster than Hamas as shown by its current conduct and historical brutality towards Palestinians. DonтАЩt bother responding. I already know what routine propaganda uncreative accusation that IтАЩm a Hamas lover.
No, I have said that the war is tragic. But Hamas has brought this tragedy on its people. Israel pulled its settlers out of Gaza in the past. They have made overtures. UNRA programs Palestinian kid to hate Jews in its so called schools. Again you should read son of Hamas!
Wow you are a real human being, how about Hamas not starting the war in the first place. How about Hamas not using their own people as shields because they are fucking cowards. Hamas wanted this reaction but you are too thick to understand this. Hamas started this and they could save their people by surrendering but you wouldn't go along with this because you believe that they had the right to kill women and children. Also, look up collateral damage, it happens in all conflicts. Genocide is what happened to Jews under the Nazis.
Check out the statistics of Dresden , Hiroshima, and Nagasaki many women and children were killed. I am not saying that I agree with it. But this was collateral damage. It is different than putting people in a gas chamber and then burning them in an oven. You people have misappropriated terms such as genocide. If the IDF were committing genocide all the people in Gaza would be dead. You are stupid! Study some history beyond propaganda coming out of Iran!
You may not agree with it, but you're clearly okay with it. That's why the best you can come up with is childish insults and screeching about propaganda from a country that clearly isn't favored in the mainstream American/Western media (where I live, and so where I tend to get most of my information.)
Since you're clearly incapable of arguing in anything approaching good faith, we're done here. Have a nice life excusing horrific war crimes.
They're responsible for October 7, sure. The IDF is responsible for the vast majority of everything after October 7, and most of what came before as well.
It's really incredible how your tunnel vision doesn't allow you to see what's right in front of you, including all the times when Israel rejected cease fire agreements and basically said they only way they'll stop is when no one in Gaza is left alive.
Wow that is an insightful geopolitical statement. Hamas could choose to end this by laying down their arms and releasing the hostages. Why shouldn't they?
You don't seem to know much about what's going on here. You may want to do some reading up on the history between Netanyahu and Hamas. Prepare to be surprised.
IтАЩll take my chances with anyone but that warmongering butcher Netinyahu who is providing who the real terrorists are everyday. Look up what he Oxford dictionary definition of terrorist and refute how it doesnтАЩt perfectly fit Netinyahu.
Why does Israel not stop the slaughter and lay down their weapons?
IF you continue to read trash media I have nothing to say.
IMAGINE the USA fighting to survive (Believe me this is a possibility) I won't come to your aid neither will many countries. But may be one country will and they will be called terrorist organization.
ItтАЩs important to recognize that contrary to what our mainstream media reports this lopsided bloodbath did NOT start on October 7th. It started with IsraelтАЩs Apartheid occupation and total subjugation and the following decades of absolute control of Palestinians and the gradual violent theft of Palestinian land by Israel though itтАЩs illegal settlements. Palestine has brought up the atrocities 46 times to the World Court but blocked by US and has had numerous protests in Gaza over the years. The world ignored their plight and labeled them тАЬterrorists тАЬ. ItтАЩs difficult to think of what other options were available to Hamas although I donтАЩt support violence.
Have the Palestinians been allowed to vote for any government other than the тАЬterroristтАЭ government that тАЬterroristтАЭNetinyahu supported financially to keep deligitimizing Palestinians within the past 16 years? Did the 3 year old that the War Criminal made an orphan and blow off its legs vote for Hamas? Spare me the victimhood argument trying to distract from the REAL issue of IsraelтАЩs Apartheid for the past 40years! Of course no one is in favor of Oct 7th. But that doesnтАЩt warrant inflicting 40,00 similar Oct 7 tha on Gazans. What other options that hadnтАЩt already been tried by Hamas so you believe were available to them to bring their plight to the worldтАЩs attention?
Once again, you're completely full of shit. The fact that you keep telling people to de-program themselves while you endlessly repeat AIPAC talking point is hilarious. Get the fuck outta here and delete your fucking account, you drooling moron.
Well you lost the argument David you have moved to the point of Ad Hominens. This is what people like you do when you have no argument, so whine on you Hamas lover!
Read son of Hamas and edumacate yourself. It is written by one of the founders of Hamas and debunks all your horseshit. Hamas is a death cult and Palestinians even after all the death still support them. So they are unfortunately the author of their own destruction.
Do you think Israel isn't murdering women and children (and men), and hasn't been for nearly 80 years? I love how you just pop up with your easily disproven talking points and refuse to respond to any questions anyone is posing to you. Pretty sick!
In warfare a war that Hamas started on Oct 7 th there is collateral damage. Collateral damage is a horrific thing but a by product of warfare. Look up Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And David, as in the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland there will be no peace in this region until the Palestinians decide they want it. Hamas is dedicated to wiping out Israel. To say anything else is disingenuous.
You are the one with talking points. What is happening in Gaza is collateral damage. What happened to Jews in WW2 was genocide. You have no understanding of history . You should read Son of Hamas and get the inside story on your heroes.
Do you believe that Hamas has any responsibility in any of this. Why doesn't Hamas surrender and lay down their weapons. They could stop the slaughter.
The only reason to ask this question is to deny the agency and responsibility of the IDF. I suspect you know this.
ItтАЩs important to recognize that contrary to what our mainstream media reports this lopsided bloodbath did NOT start on October 7th. It started with IsraelтАЩs Apartheid occupation and total subjugation and the following decades of absolute control of Palestinians and the gradual violent theft of Palestinian land by Israel though itтАЩs illegal settlements. Palestine has brought up the atrocities 46 times to the World Court but blocked by US and has had numerous protests in Gaza over the years. The world ignored their plight and labeled them тАЬterrorists тАЬ. ItтАЩs difficult to think of what other options were available to Hamas although I donтАЩt support violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGGpjOKo1Q&t=629s&ab_channel=J-TV%3AJewishIdeas.GlobalRelevance.
You don't support violence but you understand why Hamas did what they did which means you support violence.
You are intentionally being obtuse and repeating the same Hasbara talking points of how Israel is the real victim here and not reading my texts clearly. I have stated many times that Oct 7th was horrific as well but time for only sympathy for Israel is over. Israel conveniently doesnтАЩt want anyone look at the horrors they have been committing for decades and wants Americans to believe that they are the only victims. October 7th was10 months ago. Gaza is 4,000x times worse and itтАЩs currently going on. Israel is being led by a right wing coalition of homocidal maniacs who are sadly going to bring about their own demise through their brutally as the world is waking up from HasbaraтАЩs thought campaign. LetтАЩs just agree to disagree.
I am not saying that I agree with what Israel is doing but warfare is tragic but but you seem to sympathize with Hamas. Why do you see it as Israel's responsibility when Hamas could end this by surrendering, my guess is that you don't want this to happen because you believe Hamas is justified, and they are not. They have put their people in peril by doing what they did. All of your other arguments are subterfuge, sophistry. The only people that can make peace are the Palestinians. They voted in Hamas who has done nothing for them but bring misery and people like you have lost the plot. Just like in Northern Ireland peace has to come from the people on the ground or it perpetuates itself for infinity. Read the book Son of Hamas and deprogram yourself.
The only reason you would be arguing that Hamas needs to surrender is because you do not consider Palestinians as humans beings which Israel can kill at will with impunity. It would make as much more sense as me arguing why doesnтАЩt Israel want peace? Why do they want to continue to kill children? Israel is a bigger monster than Hamas as shown by its current conduct and historical brutality towards Palestinians. DonтАЩt bother responding. I already know what routine propaganda uncreative accusation that IтАЩm a Hamas lover.
No, I have said that the war is tragic. But Hamas has brought this tragedy on its people. Israel pulled its settlers out of Gaza in the past. They have made overtures. UNRA programs Palestinian kid to hate Jews in its so called schools. Again you should read son of Hamas!
What do you think Israel's reaction should have been?
Fighting back is killing and raping and beheading women and children. I get it Hamas are freedom fighters!
Wow you are a real human being, how about Hamas not starting the war in the first place. How about Hamas not using their own people as shields because they are fucking cowards. Hamas wanted this reaction but you are too thick to understand this. Hamas started this and they could save their people by surrendering but you wouldn't go along with this because you believe that they had the right to kill women and children. Also, look up collateral damage, it happens in all conflicts. Genocide is what happened to Jews under the Nazis.
If you really think tens of thousands of civilian deaths are "collateral damage," then you are an irredeemable monster.
Check out the statistics of Dresden , Hiroshima, and Nagasaki many women and children were killed. I am not saying that I agree with it. But this was collateral damage. It is different than putting people in a gas chamber and then burning them in an oven. You people have misappropriated terms such as genocide. If the IDF were committing genocide all the people in Gaza would be dead. You are stupid! Study some history beyond propaganda coming out of Iran!
You may not agree with it, but you're clearly okay with it. That's why the best you can come up with is childish insults and screeching about propaganda from a country that clearly isn't favored in the mainstream American/Western media (where I live, and so where I tend to get most of my information.)
Since you're clearly incapable of arguing in anything approaching good faith, we're done here. Have a nice life excusing horrific war crimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOEJumoABg&ab_channel=CBNNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGGpjOKo1Q&t=629s&ab_channel=J-TV%3AJewishIdeas.GlobalRelevance.
And you are Hamas nazi sympathizer!
And dummy, Hamas is a proxy of Iran. Look up proxy if you don't know what it means?
You should read "Son of Hamas" and deprogram yourself
What about the responsibility of Hamas who started the whole thing?
They're responsible for October 7, sure. The IDF is responsible for the vast majority of everything after October 7, and most of what came before as well.
It's really incredible how your tunnel vision doesn't allow you to see what's right in front of you, including all the times when Israel rejected cease fire agreements and basically said they only way they'll stop is when no one in Gaza is left alive.
Hamas sucks. The IDF sucks WAY more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGGpjOKo1Q&t=629s&ab_channel=J-TV%3AJewishIdeas.GlobalRelevance.
Wow that is an insightful geopolitical statement. Hamas could choose to end this by laying down their arms and releasing the hostages. Why shouldn't they?
Lmfao bibi doesn't want peace. He is not going to stop fighting. He has said so.
Hamas has gone on record saying they want to repeat Oct 7 again and again.
You don't seem to know much about what's going on here. You may want to do some reading up on the history between Netanyahu and Hamas. Prepare to be surprised.
It looks like the same stuff that happened with the US and Bin Laden, right!
IтАЩll take my chances with anyone but that warmongering butcher Netinyahu who is providing who the real terrorists are everyday. Look up what he Oxford dictionary definition of terrorist and refute how it doesnтАЩt perfectly fit Netinyahu.
I guess you would define Hamas as misunderstood Boy Scouts.
So it sounds like you support a suicide death cult which is Hamas.
NO I absolutely do not.
Why does Israel not stop the slaughter and lay down their weapons?
IF you continue to read trash media I have nothing to say.
IMAGINE the USA fighting to survive (Believe me this is a possibility) I won't come to your aid neither will many countries. But may be one country will and they will be called terrorist organization.
What exactly do you read?
I would like a reply.
ItтАЩs important to recognize that contrary to what our mainstream media reports this lopsided bloodbath did NOT start on October 7th. It started with IsraelтАЩs Apartheid occupation and total subjugation and the following decades of absolute control of Palestinians and the gradual violent theft of Palestinian land by Israel though itтАЩs illegal settlements. Palestine has brought up the atrocities 46 times to the World Court but blocked by US and has had numerous protests in Gaza over the years. The world ignored their plight and labeled them тАЬterrorists тАЬ. ItтАЩs difficult to think of what other options were available to Hamas although I donтАЩt support violence.
Have the Palestinians been allowed to vote for any government other than the тАЬterroristтАЭ government that тАЬterroristтАЭNetinyahu supported financially to keep deligitimizing Palestinians within the past 16 years? Did the 3 year old that the War Criminal made an orphan and blow off its legs vote for Hamas? Spare me the victimhood argument trying to distract from the REAL issue of IsraelтАЩs Apartheid for the past 40years! Of course no one is in favor of Oct 7th. But that doesnтАЩt warrant inflicting 40,00 similar Oct 7 tha on Gazans. What other options that hadnтАЩt already been tried by Hamas so you believe were available to them to bring their plight to the worldтАЩs attention?
Not murder, rape, and beheadings to start.
They should have never voted Hamas in in the first place. Read Son of Hamas and deprogram yourself.
Once again, you're completely full of shit. The fact that you keep telling people to de-program themselves while you endlessly repeat AIPAC talking point is hilarious. Get the fuck outta here and delete your fucking account, you drooling moron.
Well you lost the argument David you have moved to the point of Ad Hominens. This is what people like you do when you have no argument, so whine on you Hamas lover!
lol, whatever you fucking dickhead. here, suck on this one, Mr AIPAC talking points: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2023/11/24/countdown-to-genocide/
Wow you really have a potty mouth. You are really doing yourself a deservice by acting in this way.
gosh it seems like 2023 was a pretty deadly year for Palestinians prior to October 7th!
And Hamas never killed innocent people with suicide bombers in the early Intifadas.
Read son of Hamas and edumacate yourself. It is written by one of the founders of Hamas and debunks all your horseshit. Hamas is a death cult and Palestinians even after all the death still support them. So they are unfortunately the author of their own destruction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGGpjOKo1Q&t=629s&ab_channel=J-TV%3AJewishIdeas.GlobalRelevance.
What does from the river to the sea mean to you?
You are repeating Hamas talking points. Hamas is on record that they want to wipe Israel off the map!
You should read "Son of Hamas" if you want the real truth.
So it is justified in your mind that Hamas was okay in murdering women and children? That is pretty sick!
Do you think Israel isn't murdering women and children (and men), and hasn't been for nearly 80 years? I love how you just pop up with your easily disproven talking points and refuse to respond to any questions anyone is posing to you. Pretty sick!
In warfare a war that Hamas started on Oct 7 th there is collateral damage. Collateral damage is a horrific thing but a by product of warfare. Look up Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And David, as in the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland there will be no peace in this region until the Palestinians decide they want it. Hamas is dedicated to wiping out Israel. To say anything else is disingenuous.
You are the one with talking points. What is happening in Gaza is collateral damage. What happened to Jews in WW2 was genocide. You have no understanding of history . You should read Son of Hamas and get the inside story on your heroes.