Biden got in one really good one, in my opinion, and for the purposes of ousting Trump (which is the only way we can build to any of the other goals), I hope they stick it in every single ad: "How many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table because someone died of COVID?"
That was the one sound bite that I felt articulated exactly what he had to say about the one issue that any mythical undecided voters will probably pivot around.
how naïve of those in the office hours comments expecting there would be "talking points" and "answers" to questions. the only thing i got out of it was both candidates were telling the left to fuck off.
And yet, Biden couldn't slam the door. Even Amy or Pete, to say nothing of Bernie or SPW, would have hammered him on a LOT of stuff. Where's the $421M? Why are his positions the preferred positions of white supremacists? How come WE'RE ALL INSIDE AND DYING?
I feel worse about our chances now than I did after the debates four years ago. Can't tell if I'm misanthropic or just numbed.
I love that they basically just had an argument and all these weird WASP debate club dorks lost their minds over it.
I don't want to see two suits respectfully agree to disagree on whether blacks have any rights a cop is bound to respect, I want to see someone mad as hell, shouting over someone, not letting them get one word of their cynical bullshit in edgewise. THATS how you make a case you're someone to vote for.
Instead we got joe biden chuckling, smiling down at his podium thinking about how this rube doesn't even get the rules of debate! Doesn't he know how many points the moderators are gonna dock Hi m?
Oh also, thanks biden for your brilliant stratagem of giving trump an uninterrupted chance to speak to his white nationalist supporters, and having no plan for when he didn't dissolve into a stammering embarassed mess but instead tripled down like he always does.
It's also so ahistorical to claim this to be some horrific outlier. Do they not remember the 2008 GOP primary debates with Giuliani/McCain/Romney/etc all just taking petty personal potshots at each other for nothing but personal satisfaction? This sort of shit has been the norm for years now, it's just Trump is so much less subtle about it--just as with the corruption, the cruelty of his implementation of GOP policy, etc.
In the world we live in, debates are stupid & pointless. No one--not the candidates, moderators, pundits or parties--want an actual debate, they just want to get in a few zings that will go viral or become a meme or be used in their fundraising with lines like "watch our candidate DESTROY that other dude".
I already voted, so I doubly don't give a shit. Not that my vote matters since I'm not in a Presidential swing state and literally every other race that I cast a vote in, from State Rep up, either has a candidate running unopposed or has zero chance of losing to their opponent.
I wonder if what is really motivating the pundit freakout is not that it was an ugly spectacle that made a mockery of reasoned discussion and political discourse (as almost all presidential debates are) BUT ALSO that it was unwatchable television
Also, did they watch the 2016 debates? Trump's behavior has not changed. They needed a way to turn off his mic then, and they still need one now. This was entirely forseeable
This: "Why does George W. Bush lying us into a war never get these kinds of outraged descriptions?"
These fools are so insulated it really has been all about decorum for them this entire time. Policy and suffering literally has no meaning for them beyond the optics that can generate for their brands and cliques.
Got just what I expected. Doesn't make that turd sandwich any easier to eat. I have two daughters and I really do fear what their future will bring. F'ing Proud Boys, WTF.
What Did You Expect?
You know what was good about the debate, though? The Discord!
Biden got in one really good one, in my opinion, and for the purposes of ousting Trump (which is the only way we can build to any of the other goals), I hope they stick it in every single ad: "How many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table because someone died of COVID?"
That was the one sound bite that I felt articulated exactly what he had to say about the one issue that any mythical undecided voters will probably pivot around.
I did not invest in these pearls for them to go un-clutched, SIR.
how naïve of those in the office hours comments expecting there would be "talking points" and "answers" to questions. the only thing i got out of it was both candidates were telling the left to fuck off.
And yet, Biden couldn't slam the door. Even Amy or Pete, to say nothing of Bernie or SPW, would have hammered him on a LOT of stuff. Where's the $421M? Why are his positions the preferred positions of white supremacists? How come WE'RE ALL INSIDE AND DYING?
I feel worse about our chances now than I did after the debates four years ago. Can't tell if I'm misanthropic or just numbed.
I love that they basically just had an argument and all these weird WASP debate club dorks lost their minds over it.
I don't want to see two suits respectfully agree to disagree on whether blacks have any rights a cop is bound to respect, I want to see someone mad as hell, shouting over someone, not letting them get one word of their cynical bullshit in edgewise. THATS how you make a case you're someone to vote for.
Instead we got joe biden chuckling, smiling down at his podium thinking about how this rube doesn't even get the rules of debate! Doesn't he know how many points the moderators are gonna dock Hi m?
Oh also, thanks biden for your brilliant stratagem of giving trump an uninterrupted chance to speak to his white nationalist supporters, and having no plan for when he didn't dissolve into a stammering embarassed mess but instead tripled down like he always does.
I'm also going to use this thread to complain about AROD. Why does ESPN have a cheater announcing a playoff game? He's also a terrible commentator.
It's also so ahistorical to claim this to be some horrific outlier. Do they not remember the 2008 GOP primary debates with Giuliani/McCain/Romney/etc all just taking petty personal potshots at each other for nothing but personal satisfaction? This sort of shit has been the norm for years now, it's just Trump is so much less subtle about it--just as with the corruption, the cruelty of his implementation of GOP policy, etc.
In the world we live in, debates are stupid & pointless. No one--not the candidates, moderators, pundits or parties--want an actual debate, they just want to get in a few zings that will go viral or become a meme or be used in their fundraising with lines like "watch our candidate DESTROY that other dude".
I already voted, so I doubly don't give a shit. Not that my vote matters since I'm not in a Presidential swing state and literally every other race that I cast a vote in, from State Rep up, either has a candidate running unopposed or has zero chance of losing to their opponent.
Fuck this shit.
I wonder if what is really motivating the pundit freakout is not that it was an ugly spectacle that made a mockery of reasoned discussion and political discourse (as almost all presidential debates are) BUT ALSO that it was unwatchable television
Told one of my friends to please take me off the group email chain before I call out 3 or 4 people for being Nazi pieces of trash.
Also, did they watch the 2016 debates? Trump's behavior has not changed. They needed a way to turn off his mic then, and they still need one now. This was entirely forseeable
This: "Why does George W. Bush lying us into a war never get these kinds of outraged descriptions?"
These fools are so insulated it really has been all about decorum for them this entire time. Policy and suffering literally has no meaning for them beyond the optics that can generate for their brands and cliques.
Jesus, we're so fucked. I knew it would be bad but...jesus.
Got just what I expected. Doesn't make that turd sandwich any easier to eat. I have two daughters and I really do fear what their future will bring. F'ing Proud Boys, WTF.
“If he just appeared to show a little more decency, there’s no telling what the pundits would let him get away with.”
Good gravy, don’t give him any ideas. (I’m kidding — there’s no swaying the proudest boy of all.)